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isn't this a moderated list?

Dave Stevens

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Re: isn't this a moderated list?

Carl Zwanzig
Apparently not. Should it be? Maybe.

Many of the technical lists I'm on are lightly moderated, in that a member's
first couple of posts are held for approval to make sure they're relevant
and contain the requisite info*. The mods will also hold member messages
when that person shows a record of posting off-topic, badly-formatted, or
abusive messages.

*maybe a quarter to a third(?) of first messages here don't seem to contain
the full command output or are using an ancient build; a mod could request
that info

Doing this requires a few people willing to handle the moderation queue and
a general understanding that they may have to occasionally ban a member.
Given the current traffic of this list, this shouldn't take more than a few
minutes every day.

I would welcome that level of moderation.

(Noted that the version of mailman installed for ffmpeg.org is rather old
2.1.20 (2015-03-31), it's currently at 2.1.29 (2018-07-24). As a list
operator, I recommend upgrading; it's really easy.)

Later,

z!
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Re: isn't this a moderated list?

James Northrup
the hosting of mailing list, trac, faq, docs, nightlies and repo all feels like micro management that has great results during the period of intense development and activity but liable to age faster than the median open source without active involvement.

I see more and more projects willfully refer GitHub issues/questions to SO site(s) which has harsh topic requirements and behavioral  controls.  In the past being scatter-brained and terse has opened my eyes to “good conduct” there.  

I would feel comfortable with that outcome for ffmpeg/vlc/mplayer etc. in general  going under that umbrella.  The enhcancement of search engine results will be an immediate benefit for sure.


 



From: Carl Zwanzig
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2019 10:08 AM
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Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-user] isn't this a moderated list?

Apparently not. Should it be? Maybe.

Many of the technical lists I'm on are lightly moderated, in that a member's
first couple of posts are held for approval to make sure they're relevant
and contain the requisite info*. The mods will also hold member messages
when that person shows a record of posting off-topic, badly-formatted, or
abusive messages.

*maybe a quarter to a third(?) of first messages here don't seem to contain
the full command output or are using an ancient build; a mod could request
that info

Doing this requires a few people willing to handle the moderation queue and
a general understanding that they may have to occasionally ban a member.
Given the current traffic of this list, this shouldn't take more than a few
minutes every day.

I would welcome that level of moderation.

(Noted that the version of mailman installed for ffmpeg.org is rather old
2.1.20 (2015-03-31), it's currently at 2.1.29 (2018-07-24). As a list
operator, I recommend upgrading; it's really easy.)

Later,

z!
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Re: isn't this a moderated list?

Carl Eugen Hoyos-2
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Fortunately not.

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Re: isn't this a moderated list?

James Darnley
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On 2019-04-13 07:03, James Northrup wrote:
> the hosting of mailing list, trac, faq, docs, nightlies and repo all feels like micro management that has great results during the period of intense development and activity but liable to age faster than the median open source without active involvement.
>
> I see more and more projects willfully refer GitHub issues/questions to SO site(s) which has harsh topic requirements and behavioral  controls.  In the past being scatter-brained and terse has opened my eyes to “good conduct” there.  
>
> I would feel comfortable with that outcome for ffmpeg/vlc/mplayer etc. in general  going under that umbrella.  The enhcancement of search engine results will be an immediate benefit for sure.

Many people have suggested that FFmpeg moves to Github.  That is a bad
idea.  It is proprietary software.  It requires a web browser.  It
requires registration.  It requires javascript.  It encourages worse
development practices with it's pull requests.

Moving support questions to Stack Overflow sounds even worse.  I'm sure
it is all of the above.  They lock "opinion" questions.  All sorts of
outdated answers get left around to be seen by Google.

I am confident this is about the "unsubscribe" thread and Reindl's
behavior in it.  Unfortunately that is the natural consequence of
dealing with users and user support.  You get burned out on their
stupidity and inability to follow instructions or even read.

If you're reading this, Reindl, you should simply stop helping users.

That is why I don't post to this list often and it is why I am no longer
in #ffmpeg.



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Re: isn't this a moderated list?

James Northrup
James your response is an eye-opener, and bone-chilling.   "you should
simply stop helping users" is exactly the kind of thing SO is providing as
a service. an impartial clue-hammer and two strikes with a permanent burn
notice on all future technical conversations, stopping users in their
tracks and employing an army of volunteer thought police who level-up their
craft on maintaining a shared occam's internet.

I go to trac, and to this list in search of conversation, related
experiences, whatever might help production undertakings, help scope a
deployment, things not exactly related to a codec bug, and subject to
opinionated approaches.  then, before hell freezes over in the silence that
follows, I wind up googling for whatever's left over.

I think the only place I would expect to see a  "real-programmers" uucp era
text-mode rant is in fact an antiquated mail list like this one.  while I
downloaded my my first linux kernel distro over a kermit link I also use
native ubuntu on windows 10 from that evil empire that acquired github.

I'd rather see aggressive issue pruning and PR debates which will tend to
whittle down the redundancy of search results, over the immutable history
of pipermail archives each time someone asks the same question about RT*P.
when i go to a fancy oss repo site nowadays i start typing my problem in
the description and 9 times out of 10 find an answer in an issue that's
closed or ongoing, because i'm using a browser with javascript and ajax
updates suggesting map reduce inverted index results.

I'm sorry, as much as I hate the invasion of dunning-kruger enablements, I
think there's still a value in the larger scope to some of the trends.
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