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is real ffserver removed?

juan carlos rebate
http://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/ffserver
how can I do streaming now ?, what alternative will ffmpeg offer?
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Re: is real ffserver removed?

Moritz Barsnick
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 21:36:55 +0200, juan carlos rebate wrote:
> http://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/ffserver
> how can I do streaming now ?, what alternative will ffmpeg offer?

It's not removed yet. It will be in the next version though, unless
someone steps up and makes some relevant fixes.

ffmpeg may fix ffserver before removal, or it may move ffserver or any
replacement into a separate repository, or may not have anything at
all.

But there should be alternatives out there. (Not as practical as just
building the ffmpeg source tree though.)

Moritz
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Re: is real ffserver removed?

juan carlos rebate
2017-10-25 23:09 GMT+02:00 Moritz Barsnick <[hidden email]>:

> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 21:36:55 +0200, juan carlos rebate wrote:
>> http://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/ffserver
>> how can I do streaming now ?, what alternative will ffmpeg offer?
>
> It's not removed yet. It will be in the next version though, unless
> someone steps up and makes some relevant fixes.
>
> ffmpeg may fix ffserver before removal, or it may move ffserver or any
> replacement into a separate repository, or may not have anything at
> all.
>
> But there should be alternatives out there. (Not as practical as just
> building the ffmpeg source tree though.)
>
> Moritz
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Does this mean I can use ffmpeg as a streaming server?
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Re: is real ffserver removed?

Carl Eugen Hoyos-2
2017-10-25 23:31 GMT+02:00 juan carlos rebate <[hidden email]>:

> Does this mean I can use ffmpeg as a streaming server?

No, it means if you want to continue using ffserver,
you will have to fix some issues.
(We weren't told the exact issues, but you have
to start with the functions from libavformat that do
not start with "av_" - all these functions must not
be used by ffserver.)

Please cut your quotes, Carl Eugen
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Re: is real ffserver removed?

juan carlos rebate
2017-10-25 23:45 GMT+02:00 Carl Eugen Hoyos <[hidden email]>:

> 2017-10-25 23:31 GMT+02:00 juan carlos rebate <[hidden email]>:
>
>> Does this mean I can use ffmpeg as a streaming server?
>
> No, it means if you want to continue using ffserver,
> you will have to fix some issues.
> (We weren't told the exact issues, but you have
> to start with the functions from libavformat that do
> not start with "av_" - all these functions must not
> be used by ffserver.)
>
> Please cut your quotes, Carl Eugen
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I do not want to change anything, I just want to use it, that's why I
ask if there are alternatives
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Re: is real ffserver removed?

Jon bae
2017-10-25 23:55 GMT+02:00 juan carlos rebate <[hidden email]>:

> 2017-10-25 23:45 GMT+02:00 Carl Eugen Hoyos <[hidden email]>:
> > 2017-10-25 23:31 GMT+02:00 juan carlos rebate <[hidden email]>:
> >
> >> Does this mean I can use ffmpeg as a streaming server?
> >
> > No, it means if you want to continue using ffserver,
> > you will have to fix some issues.
> > (We weren't told the exact issues, but you have
> > to start with the functions from libavformat that do
> > not start with "av_" - all these functions must not
> > be used by ffserver.)
> >
> > Please cut your quotes, Carl Eugen
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> I do not want to change anything, I just want to use it, that's why I
> ask if there are alternatives


You can take a look in SRS, is very powerful:

https://github.com/ossrs/srs
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Re: is real ffserver removed?

juan carlos rebate
2017-10-26 12:09 GMT+02:00 Jon bae <[hidden email]>:

> 2017-10-25 23:55 GMT+02:00 juan carlos rebate <[hidden email]>:
>
>> 2017-10-25 23:45 GMT+02:00 Carl Eugen Hoyos <[hidden email]>:
>> > 2017-10-25 23:31 GMT+02:00 juan carlos rebate <[hidden email]>:
>> >
>> >> Does this mean I can use ffmpeg as a streaming server?
>> >
>> > No, it means if you want to continue using ffserver,
>> > you will have to fix some issues.
>> > (We weren't told the exact issues, but you have
>> > to start with the functions from libavformat that do
>> > not start with "av_" - all these functions must not
>> > be used by ffserver.)
>> >
>> > Please cut your quotes, Carl Eugen
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>> I do not want to change anything, I just want to use it, that's why I
>> ask if there are alternatives
>
>
> You can take a look in SRS, is very powerful:
>
> https://github.com/ossrs/srs
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no, it is not powerful, it does not even have half the possibilities
offered by the ffserver, it is strange everything that is free, ends
and what is commercial as in the case of wowza is still alive,
I still do not understand the reason for the death of ffserver,
is it a question of libraries ?, is it a question of little use?,
I use ffserver to transmit my animations, my content, because I do not
use youtube? because I do not control it,
I do not understand those who say in this list that ffserver is not
practical, maybe they could say that it is not very powerful compared
to commercial products, it can not be said that it is not practical,
many streaming services use ffserver to offer their services
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Re: is real ffserver removed?

Carl Eugen Hoyos-2
2017-10-26 17:47 GMT+02:00 juan carlos rebate <[hidden email]>:

> many streaming services use ffserver to offer their services

I cannot answer most of your questions but maybe this is the answer.

Carl Eugen
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Re: is real ffserver removed?

Rob Hallam-2
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On 26 October 2017 at 16:47, juan carlos rebate <[hidden email]> wrote:

> it is strange everything that is free, ends

If it works, you can keep your current version.

> and what is commercial as in the case of wowza is still alive,

If a company makes profit keeping something alive, they may choose to
do so. Plenty of commercial products disappear.

> I still do not understand the reason for the death of ffserver,

From the news link (http://ffmpeg.org/index.html#ffserv) in the wiki you posted:

>> ffserver has been a problematic program to maintain due to its use of internal APIs, which complicated the recent cleanups to the libavformat library, and block further cleanups and improvements which are desired by API users and will be easier to maintain. Furthermore the program has been hard for users to deploy and run due to reliability issues, lack of knowledgable people to help and confusing configuration file syntax.

> I use ffserver to transmit my animations, my content, because I do not
> use youtube? because I do not control it,

So keep doing so! Or, as the last sentence in the news says:

>> Current users and members of the community are invited to write a replacement program to fill the same niche that  fserver did using the new APIs and to contact us so we may point users to test and contribute to its development.

From an end-user point of view it is disappointing that new version
will not be produced, but there are options.

Rob
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Re: is real ffserver removed?

Moritz Barsnick
On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 16:56:19 +0100, Rob Hallam wrote:
> From an end-user point of view it is disappointing that new version
> will not be produced, but there are options.

To add to that, you must take into consideration that the development
of ffmpeg, with its libraries and tools, is for the most part a
voluntary engagement. There is apparantly not enough *visible* demand
for a good replacement (or for keeping ffserver), and not enough
supply of developers willing to take up the job.

That might also explain why the commercial products survive, as you,
Juan, noted:

> it is strange everything that is free, ends and what is commercial as
> in the case of wowza is still alive,

Some people's, or probably some companies', demand is so high that they
are willing to pay money, and they seem to get what they need from
Wowza et.al. That said, there are also companies sponsoring or
contributing to ffmpeg development to fulfill their needs.

Good open source projects thrive from people willing to step up and
fill a gap. The ones to fill the ffserver gap haven't stepped up. It
seems they need to understand that ffserver is ending in order to be
willing to contribute (or find someone to contribute).

Moritz
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Re: is real ffserver removed?

juan carlos rebate
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2017-10-26 17:56 GMT+02:00 Rob Hallam <[hidden email]>:

> On 26 October 2017 at 16:47, juan carlos rebate <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> it is strange everything that is free, ends
>
> If it works, you can keep your current version.
>
>> and what is commercial as in the case of wowza is still alive,
>
> If a company makes profit keeping something alive, they may choose to
> do so. Plenty of commercial products disappear.
>
>> I still do not understand the reason for the death of ffserver,
>
> From the news link (http://ffmpeg.org/index.html#ffserv) in the wiki you posted:
>
>>> ffserver has been a problematic program to maintain due to its use of internal APIs, which complicated the recent cleanups to the libavformat library, and block further cleanups and improvements which are desired by API users and will be easier to maintain. Furthermore the program has been hard for users to deploy and run due to reliability issues, lack of knowledgable people to help and confusing configuration file syntax.
>
>> I use ffserver to transmit my animations, my content, because I do not
>> use youtube? because I do not control it,
>
> So keep doing so! Or, as the last sentence in the news says:
>
>>> Current users and members of the community are invited to write a replacement program to fill the same niche that  fserver did using the new APIs and to contact us so we may point users to test and contribute to its development.
>
> From an end-user point of view it is disappointing that new version
> will not be produced, but there are options.
>
> Rob
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in my opinion there are no options, but I am happy to know that I can
create a server that communicates with the new api, I will document
myself and maybe it will take some time but if I succeed I will
distribute it here
if I have success can I still use the name ffserver?
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Re: is real ffserver removed?

Carl Eugen Hoyos-2
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2017-10-26 18:10 GMT+02:00 Moritz Barsnick <[hidden email]>:
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 16:56:19 +0100, Rob Hallam wrote:
>> From an end-user point of view it is disappointing that new version
>> will not be produced, but there are options.
>
> To add to that, you must take into consideration that the development
> of ffmpeg, with its libraries and tools, is for the most part a
> voluntary engagement.

> There is apparantly not enough *visible* demand
> for a good replacement (or for keeping ffserver), and not enough
> supply of developers willing to take up the job.

I fear this is not correct or at least an incomplete description of
the situation.

Carl Eugen
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Re: is real ffserver removed?

Reindl Harald
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Am 26.10.2017 um 17:47 schrieb juan carlos rebate:
> no, it is not powerful, it does not even have half the possibilities
> offered by the ffserver, it is strange everything that is free, ends
> and what is commercial as in the case of wowza is still alive,
> I still do not understand the reason for the death of ffserver,
> is it a question of libraries ?, is it a question of little use?
it's because nobody of the current developers obviously is using it and
so nobody wants to maintain it

your mailing style even quote the list footer and place your response
after a full quote is BTW terrible ugly
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