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how to convert *.cin into *.avi?

peter.lysyansky
Dear team,

I was unable to use FFmpeg to convert the * .cin file to * .avi.

 

Can you please help?

 

Thank you,

 

Peter Lysyansky, PhD

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Re: how to convert *.cin into *.avi?

Jim DeLaHunt-2
On 2020-09-19 01:24, [hidden email] wrote:
> Dear team,
>
> I was unable to use FFmpeg to convert the * .cin file to * .avi.
>
> Can you please help?

Hello, Peter:

Welcome to the ffmpeg-user list. I am not a great expert on *.cin files
or on FFmpeg, but I have seen over time that on this list you get better
help by providing some basic information:

1. Try your task with the current version of FFmpeg as downloaded from
links on ffmpeg.org.

2. Show us the exact, complete, uncut command line which you used.

3. Show us the exact, complete, uncut output to the terminal from #2.

4. Tell us about the *.cin files. What format is that?  What kind of
content is in it? Audio? Video? What resolution? What frame rate?

5. What are you expecting will happen?

6. What do you observe actually happening?

I hope that helps you get started. Good luck!
       —Jim DeLaHunt


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Re: how to convert *.cin into *.avi?

Reto Kromer-2
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>I was unable to use FFmpeg to convert the * .cin file to
>* .avi.

Cineon (.cin) was a predecessor of DPX, introduced by Kodak as
a digital postproduction format for cinema movies in the early
1990s, and today it's essentially one of its flavours.

Best regards, Reto

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Re: how to convert *.cin into *.avi?

peter.lysyansky
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Hi Jim.

Thanks for the quick response.

 

I recently met a syn format when processing scan data from a SonoTouch ultrasound scanner that exports cine files in cin format.

 

The CIN file is a Kodak Cineon Image- see:

https://www.filedesc.com/en/file/cin#:~:text=Cineon%20was%20a%20computer%20system%2C%20augmented%20by%20film,3%20per%2032-bit%20word%2C%20with%20two%20bits%20unused.

 

I tried to convert the exported video "usimage200001010021041935.cin" to avi format.

 

The FFmpeg command:

>ffmpeg -i usimage200001010021041935.cin usimage200001010021041935.avi

And the result is:

"usimage200001010021041935.cin: Invalid data found when processing input"

 



 

 

 

 

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On 2020-09-19 01:24,  <mailto:[hidden email]> [hidden email] wrote:

> Dear team,

>

> I was unable to use FFmpeg to convert the * .cin file to * .avi.

>

> Can you please help?

 

Hello, Peter:

 

Welcome to the ffmpeg-user list. I am not a great expert on *.cin files or on FFmpeg, but I have seen over time that on this list you get better help by providing some basic information:

 

1. Try your task with the current version of FFmpeg as downloaded from links on ffmpeg.org.

 

2. Show us the exact, complete, uncut command line which you used.

 

3. Show us the exact, complete, uncut output to the terminal from #2.

 

4. Tell us about the *.cin files. What format is that?  What kind of content is in it? Audio? Video? What resolution? What frame rate?

 

5. What are you expecting will happen?

 

6. What do you observe actually happening?

 

I hope that helps you get started. Good luck!

      —Jim DeLaHunt

 

 


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Re: how to convert *.cin into *.avi?

Jim DeLaHunt-2
On 2020-09-19 02:26, [hidden email] wrote:

> ...
> The FFmpeg command:
>
> >ffmpeg -i usimage200001010021041935.cin usimage200001010021041935.avi
>
> And the result is:
>
> "usimage200001010021041935.cin: Invalid data found when processing input"
>
[…image deleted…]

For the next time, please do not send a screen shot of a Command Prompt
window. Instead, copy the text from the Command Prompt window and paste
that text into your message. It is easier to read and modify text than a
picture (of a Command Prompt window). Giving readers of the list text
instead of a picture reduces the work they have to do in order to
understand your situation. It demonstrates respect, and might lead to
more offers of help.

Fortunately, the FFmpeg run you posted was short and simple, so people
who want to help will probably look at the screen shot.

It looks like the FFmpeg version you are running is dated 2020-08-31.
(I'd copy and paste the exact version string, but I can't, because it's
a picture not text.) That is recent, but not current. One step you can
take is to get the absolute latest copy of FFmpeg and try again. It's
possible that a relevant bug in FFmpeg got fixed in the last three weeks.

The error message, "Invalid data found when processing input", implies
to me that 1. FFmpeg thinks it supports this file format, and 2. that
the file you supplied appears to not conform to that file format.

How confident are you that the contents of the file are correctly formatted?

Does this same command line succeed with other *.cin files which you have?

One final suggestion. It's great that you have sample files for testing
by the people who help you. However, it is better to put them on a
server somewhere and send a link to the file, instead of attaching the
file to a message sent to the list. 9MB of attachments * many hundreds
or thousands of subscribers to this list = a lot of disk space around
the world consumed by these attachments. What I typically do is put the
file in a public folder on my free Dropbox account, and have Dropbox
give me a sharing link to that file.  Then I can send just the link.

I hope this is helpful for you. Best regards,
     —Jim DeLaHunt


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Re: how to convert *.cin into *.avi?

Paul B Mahol
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Hi,

On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 11:12:05AM +0200, Reto Kromer wrote:
> [hidden email] wrote:
>
> >I was unable to use FFmpeg to convert the * .cin file to
> >* .avi.
>
> Cineon (.cin) was a predecessor of DPX, introduced by Kodak as
> a digital postproduction format for cinema movies in the early
> 1990s, and today it's essentially one of its flavours.

Do you have by any chance Cineon muxed into .mov container?

Some examples:

C310:GL3N

cini:bsmt

D210:GL3N
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Re: how to convert *.cin into *.avi?

peter.lysyansky
If you ask me- this is my first experience with FFmpeg, so I have no idea about your question.

Actually I will appreciate some practical instructions.

I desperately need the acquired data in any reasonable format.

Thank you,
Peter

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Hi,

On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 11:12:05AM +0200, Reto Kromer wrote:
> [hidden email] wrote:
>
> >I was unable to use FFmpeg to convert the * .cin file to
> >* .avi.
>
> Cineon (.cin) was a predecessor of DPX, introduced by Kodak as a
> digital postproduction format for cinema movies in the early 1990s,
> and today it's essentially one of its flavours.

Do you have by any chance Cineon muxed into .mov container?

Some examples:

C310:GL3N

cini:bsmt

D210:GL3N
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Re: how to convert *.cin into *.avi?

Paul B Mahol
On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 11:14:03PM +0300, [hidden email] wrote:
> If you ask me- this is my first experience with FFmpeg, so I have no idea about your question.
>
> Actually I will appreciate some practical instructions.
>
> I desperately need the acquired data in any reasonable format.

There is a problem.

IIRC you have not provided any cineon sample files.

Also do know that Cineon can store completely custom color space
into bitstream. And to get proper representation for your display
device there are some conversion that needs to be done somehow.

FFmpeg currently does not have any support for Cineon (.cin file extension
with magic bytes 0x802a5fd7 at start) at all.

You could try GraphicsMagick or ImageMagick.

>
> Thank you,
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ffmpeg-user <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Paul B Mahol
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 10:46 PM
> To: FFmpeg user questions <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-user] how to convert *.cin into *.avi?
>
> Hi,
>
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 11:12:05AM +0200, Reto Kromer wrote:
> > [hidden email] wrote:
> >
> > >I was unable to use FFmpeg to convert the * .cin file to
> > >* .avi.
> >
> > Cineon (.cin) was a predecessor of DPX, introduced by Kodak as a
> > digital postproduction format for cinema movies in the early 1990s,
> > and today it's essentially one of its flavours.
>
> Do you have by any chance Cineon muxed into .mov container?
>
> Some examples:
>
> C310:GL3N
>
> cini:bsmt
>
> D210:GL3N
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Re: how to convert *.cin into *.avi?

peter.lysyansky
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Thank you for helpful recommendations.

This is my first experience with FFmpeg

Please see my comments below.

 

Best regards,

Peter

 

From: Jim DeLaHunt <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 10:25 PM
To: [hidden email]
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-user] how to convert *.cin into *.avi?

 

On 2020-09-19 02:26, [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>  wrote:

...
The FFmpeg command:

>ffmpeg -i usimage200001010021041935.cin usimage200001010021041935.avi

And the result is:

"usimage200001010021041935.cin: Invalid data found when processing input"

[…image deleted…]

For the next time, please do not send a screen shot of a Command Prompt window. Instead, copy the text from the Command Prompt window and paste that text into your message. It is easier to read and modify text than a picture (of a Command Prompt window).  Giving readers of the list text instead of a picture reduces the work they have to do in order to understand your situation. It demonstrates respect, and might lead to more offers of help.

Fortunately, the FFmpeg run you posted was short and simple, so people who want to help will probably look at the screen shot.

It looks like the FFmpeg version you are running is dated 2020-08-31. (I'd copy and paste the exact version string, but I can't, because it's a picture not text.) That is recent, but not current. One step you can take is to get the absolute latest copy of FFmpeg and try again. It's possible that a relevant bug in FFmpeg got fixed in the last three weeks.

Here is my version: ffmpeg version git-2020-08-31-4a11a6f Copyright (c) 2000-2020 the FFmpeg developers

built with gcc 10.2.1 (GCC) 20200805

How can I get the latest version?

The error message, "Invalid data found when processing input", implies to me that 1. FFmpeg thinks it supports this file format, and 2. that the file you supplied appears to not conform to that file format.  

How confident are you that the contents of the file are correctly formatted?

All cin files are exported from the official SonoTouch ultrasound scanner, but I cannot confirm they are correct. Can ffmpeg display details - what's wrong in the file?

Does this same command line succeed with other *.cin files which you have?

Yes, I checked other files- the result is the same.

One final suggestion. It's great that you have sample files for testing by the people who help you. However, it is better to put them on a server somewhere and send a link to the file, instead of attaching the file to a message sent to the list. 9MB of attachments * many hundreds or thousands of subscribers to this list = a lot of disk space around the world consumed by these attachments. What I typically do is put the file in a public folder on my free Dropbox account, and have Dropbox give me a sharing link to that file.  Then I can send just the link.

Below is the link to demo.cin file in my Dropbox:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/dta1swkn2ohl91l/demo.cin?dl=0

I hope this is helpful for you. Best regards,
    —Jim DeLaHunt

 

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Re: how to convert *.cin into *.avi?

Paul B Mahol
On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 11:56:24PM +0300, [hidden email] wrote:

> Thank you for helpful recommendations.
>
> This is my first experience with FFmpeg
>
> Please see my comments below.
>
>  
>
> Best regards,
>
> Peter
>
>  
>
> From: Jim DeLaHunt <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 10:25 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-user] how to convert *.cin into *.avi?
>
>  
>
> On 2020-09-19 02:26, [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>  wrote:
>
> ...
> The FFmpeg command:
>
> >ffmpeg -i usimage200001010021041935.cin usimage200001010021041935.avi
>
> And the result is:
>
> "usimage200001010021041935.cin: Invalid data found when processing input"
>
> […image deleted…]
>
> For the next time, please do not send a screen shot of a Command Prompt window. Instead, copy the text from the Command Prompt window and paste that text into your message. It is easier to read and modify text than a picture (of a Command Prompt window).  Giving readers of the list text instead of a picture reduces the work they have to do in order to understand your situation. It demonstrates respect, and might lead to more offers of help.
>
> Fortunately, the FFmpeg run you posted was short and simple, so people who want to help will probably look at the screen shot.
>
> It looks like the FFmpeg version you are running is dated 2020-08-31. (I'd copy and paste the exact version string, but I can't, because it's a picture not text.) That is recent, but not current. One step you can take is to get the absolute latest copy of FFmpeg and try again. It's possible that a relevant bug in FFmpeg got fixed in the last three weeks.
>
> Here is my version: ffmpeg version git-2020-08-31-4a11a6f Copyright (c) 2000-2020 the FFmpeg developers
>
> built with gcc 10.2.1 (GCC) 20200805
>
> How can I get the latest version?
>
> The error message, "Invalid data found when processing input", implies to me that 1. FFmpeg thinks it supports this file format, and 2. that the file you supplied appears to not conform to that file format.  
>
> How confident are you that the contents of the file are correctly formatted?
>
> All cin files are exported from the official SonoTouch ultrasound scanner, but I cannot confirm they are correct. Can ffmpeg display details - what's wrong in the file?
>
> Does this same command line succeed with other *.cin files which you have?
>
> Yes, I checked other files- the result is the same.
>
> One final suggestion. It's great that you have sample files for testing by the people who help you. However, it is better to put them on a server somewhere and send a link to the file, instead of attaching the file to a message sent to the list. 9MB of attachments * many hundreds or thousands of subscribers to this list = a lot of disk space around the world consumed by these attachments. What I typically do is put the file in a public folder on my free Dropbox account, and have Dropbox give me a sharing link to that file.  Then I can send just the link.
>
> Below is the link to demo.cin file in my Dropbox:
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dta1swkn2ohl91l/demo.cin?dl=0

This file is not Cineon for sure.
Also its entropy never rises above 0.5

>
> I hope this is helpful for you. Best regards,
>     —Jim DeLaHunt
>
>  
>
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Re: how to convert *.cin into *.avi?

Reto Kromer-2
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Paul B Mahol wrote:

>> Cineon (.cin) was a predecessor of DPX, introduced by Kodak as
>> a digital postproduction format for cinema movies in the early
>> 1990s, and today it's essentially one of its flavours.
>
>Do you have by any chance Cineon muxed into .mov container?

Back then, Cineon were used as single-image files in a folder,
not in a stream, because of the available computing power. We
did use Silicon Graphics.

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Re: how to convert *.cin into *.avi?

Reto Kromer-2
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Paul B Mahol wrote:

>FFmpeg currently does not have any support for Cineon (.cin
>file extension with magic bytes 0x802a5fd7 at start) at all.

If you force their lecture as DPX, then in my experience you can
use them in FFmpeg.

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Re: how to convert *.cin into *.avi?

Reto Kromer-2
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Paul B Mahol wrote:

>> Below is the link to demo.cin file in my Dropbox:
>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dta1swkn2ohl91l/demo.cin?dl=0
>
>This file is not Cineon for sure.

I agree.

Is this image any related to medical imaging?

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Re: how to convert *.cin into *.avi?

peter.lysyansky
Yes, this file is exported from SonoTouch ultrasound scanner. Is there a chance to open this movie?

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Paul B Mahol wrote:

>> Below is the link to demo.cin file in my Dropbox:
>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dta1swkn2ohl91l/demo.cin?dl=0
>
>This file is not Cineon for sure.

I agree.

Is this image any related to medical imaging?

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Re: how to convert *.cin into *.avi?

Jim DeLaHunt-2
On 2020-09-19 01:24, [hidden email] wrote:
> I was unable to use FFmpeg to convert the * .cin file to * .avi.
On 2020-09-20 01:00, [hidden email] wrote:
> Yes, this file is exported from SonoTouch ultrasound scanner. Is there a chance to open this movie?

Peter:

For future reference, the next time you ask for help converting a file,
you might find it helpful to volunteer in the first message the relevant
information you have about the source file.  The information that the
file comes from a particular ultrasound scanner is very important. You
only give this list just the filename extension (*.cin) and not what you
know about the source.

You might want to think about what else you know about this content, and
its format, and its source. What else have you not yet shared? The more
(relevant) information you give, the more likely it is that someone on
the list will recognise the situation and offer an answer.

Best regards,
      —Jim DeLaHunt

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Re: how to convert *.cin into *.avi?

peter.lysyansky
Jim,
I understand your point.
Unfortunately I don't know too much.
Due to this, I have posted a link to the file in the hopes of helping extract the images.

Peter

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On 2020-09-19 01:24, [hidden email] wrote:
> I was unable to use FFmpeg to convert the * .cin file to * .avi.
On 2020-09-20 01:00, [hidden email] wrote:
> Yes, this file is exported from SonoTouch ultrasound scanner. Is there a chance to open this movie?

Peter:

For future reference, the next time you ask for help converting a file, you might find it helpful to volunteer in the first message the relevant information you have about the source file.  The information that the file comes from a particular ultrasound scanner is very important. You only give this list just the filename extension (*.cin) and not what you know about the source.

You might want to think about what else you know about this content, and its format, and its source. What else have you not yet shared? The more
(relevant) information you give, the more likely it is that someone on the list will recognise the situation and offer an answer.

Best regards,
      —Jim DeLaHunt

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Re: how to convert *.cin into *.avi?

Reto Kromer-2
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>Yes, this file is exported from SonoTouch ultrasound scanner.
>Is there a chance to open this movie?

Possibly. Yet, in my personal opinion, not with FFmpeg.

(I probably misinterpreted as showing a liver cancer, therefore
my question, but this device seems to be a much more elementar
one.)

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Re: how to convert *.cin into *.avi?

peter.lysyansky
Did you succeed to see any image from this file? This is a ULS scan of the elbow of an arm.

What would you recommend instead of FFmpeg?

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>Yes, this file is exported from SonoTouch ultrasound scanner.
>Is there a chance to open this movie?

Possibly. Yet, in my personal opinion, not with FFmpeg.

(I probably misinterpreted as showing a liver cancer, therefore my question, but this device seems to be a much more elementar
one.)

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Re: how to convert *.cin into *.avi?

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>Did you succeed to see any image from this file? This is a ULS
>scan of the elbow of an arm.

No, not the actual image. I could retrieve only a little shadows
by using what I know about medical imaging.

>What would you recommend instead of FFmpeg?

I am afraid, I don't have any recommendation at all. This is a
proprietary format which I don't know. It is *NOT* the Cineon
(.cin) format used when the digital intermediate was introduced
in movie film postproduction by Kodak. That's for sure.

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Re: how to convert *.cin into *.avi?

peter.lysyansky
Thank you,
Peter

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>Did you succeed to see any image from this file? This is a ULS scan of
>the elbow of an arm.

No, not the actual image. I could retrieve only a little shadows by using what I know about medical imaging.

>What would you recommend instead of FFmpeg?

I am afraid, I don't have any recommendation at all. This is a proprietary format which I don't know. It is *NOT* the Cineon
(.cin) format used when the digital intermediate was introduced in movie film postproduction by Kodak. That's for sure.

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